tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post5014037121927970735..comments2022-11-01T03:35:34.070-05:00Comments on Balkoth's Word: Well, The Nerfs Are Better This Time Around (5.4.8 SoO Item Level Upgrades)Balkothhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-47847366699777920242014-05-15T19:04:15.501-05:002014-05-15T19:04:15.501-05:00"I agree that the generic nerf is definitely ..."I agree that the generic nerf is definitely a change from their original statement, but I pretty much take every last thing they say with a large grain of salt. This isn't the first time they've 180'd in the span of a month, and won't be the last time."<br /><br />I wouldn't be annoyed if they decided to do some targeted nerfs as they mentioned it was a possibility. I wouldn't be annoyed if they mentioned they noticed progression slowly and were considering if they needed to do something. But this just came out of the blue on a major issue -- it's as big of a deal as them coming out and saying "You know how warlocks wanted a tank spec? We're going to give them it."<br /><br />"Makes me wonder if they really are better off just not talking about their current intentions/thoughts/plans."<br /><br />If they'll change it without warning in a 180 direction...then yeah, better off not talking. Talk WHEN they change something but don't ever say "Our plans are " if you're willing to 180 on that in a short time spawn.Balkothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-48757184663176482582014-05-14T22:32:39.607-05:002014-05-14T22:32:39.607-05:00Given that's basically what Ghostcrawler said ...Given that's basically what Ghostcrawler said every time someone tried to call him out for "promising" something, yeah, I think we're stuck with just assuming they can change their minds at any time unless they triple pinky promise.<br /><br />I agree that the generic nerf is definitely a change from their original statement, but I pretty much take every last thing they say with a large grain of salt. This isn't the first time they've 180'd in the span of a month, and won't be the last time.<br /><br />Makes me wonder if they really are better off just not talking about their current intentions/thoughts/plans.Talarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684944568000522986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-77808852003446431622014-05-14T16:01:33.561-05:002014-05-14T16:01:33.561-05:00I mean, it just seems like you're saying that ...I mean, it just seems like you're saying that unless Blizzard triple pinky promises to do something (or not do something) then we should assume what they said has no meaning because it could easily change the next day or week with no warning.<br /><br />I get your general point, but there's a big gap between "It's possible we might do a general nerf but for the moment we have no plans" and "No plans for a general nerf, if anything we might do targeted nerfs."Balkothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-35120040341398884632014-05-14T15:56:41.967-05:002014-05-14T15:56:41.967-05:00I get that plans change, but we got ZERO indicatio...I get that plans change, but we got ZERO indication they were even CONSIDERING changing their minds. Went completely 180.<br /><br />"Nope, no general nerfs."<br /><br />One month later...<br /><br />"LAWL, totes general nerfs."<br /><br />Even on Twitter Watcher kept talking about how to help people stuck on bosses rather than nerf the raid.<br /><br />By the same logic, if Blizzard says "We have no plans to make hunters a tanking/healing class only" that could mean they're considering making hunters a tanking/healing class only and it would be unfair if we objected when they announced they were changing hunters.<br /><br />Because they never promised they weren't changing hunters.<br /><br />"If we're going to hold them to a higher level of commitment than they're actually making, the devs won't say anything in the future."<br /><br />Let me ask you this: if they'll completely 180 a month later on a big issue like this...what good does them saying anything do? We can't trust it at all by your logic, so them saying something means absolutely nothing.Balkothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-38909780406858946512014-05-14T12:34:37.291-05:002014-05-14T12:34:37.291-05:00Ignoring the technical point (because yes, you are...Ignoring the technical point (because yes, you are correct there), plans change. They never promised anything. They just said they didn't have any plans at the time. If we're going to hold them to a higher level of commitment than they're actually making, the devs won't say anything in the future.Talarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684944568000522986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-14972932584988482842014-05-14T12:09:14.812-05:002014-05-14T12:09:14.812-05:00By the same argument, they could flat out reduced ...By the same argument, they could flat out reduced the HP/damage of every boss by 10% WITHOUT an aura and it *technically* wouldn't have violated their previous statement since there *technically* is no aura.<br /><br />But the fundamental point is that they said they would be doing targeted nerfs on specific bosses if there were issues instead of broad nerfs...and then they went ahead and did broad nerfs. Even if you want to claim it *technically* wasn't a lie then at the very least it was misleading. Which still doesn't make it any easier to trust Blizzard on statements like that -- and if you find yourself in a position where you're trying to convince someone that you *technically* didn't lie that's probably a bad thing.Balkothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-19807589861015628632014-05-14T03:47:23.525-05:002014-05-14T03:47:23.525-05:00While I largely agree on points 2 and 3, I disagre...While I largely agree on points 2 and 3, I disagree with point 1. Watcher said they had no zone-wide aura nerfs planned. This was probably not planned at the time; claiming that they lied is not something you can prove. The wording of the tweet seems quite precise as to give wiggle room here, and they never mentioned that targeted nerfs were the only things they would do either, just perhaps do if they thought it was needed. But if overall progression has stalled and there's no one boss that sticks out...<br /><br />Plus if you want to be pedantic, this isn't a zone-wide aura nerf technically. If you don't do anything to upgrade your gear further, you get 0 benefit. It's close, but not quite, as you yourself point out.Talarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684944568000522986noreply@blogger.com