tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post5435807248528282991..comments2022-11-01T03:35:34.070-05:00Comments on Balkoth's Word: Okay...Well, Uh...Raiding in WoD...Balkothhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-14111381978019479852013-11-21T15:50:21.534-06:002013-11-21T15:50:21.534-06:00"So, knock that one off your list."
Unf..."So, knock that one off your list."<br /><br />Unfortunately, that's simply not true. Easy example: you know which trinkets are better than the LFR version of the Sha of Pride trinket (cooldown reduction) for rogues? ONLY the Flex/Normal/Heroic version of that trinket. Yes, the LFR Sha of Pride trinket beats every other heroic (ilvl 566+) trinket. Trinkets and set pieces are the main issue.<br /><br />Same deal with other trinkets in SoO and trinkets like Ji-Kun's feather and Unerring Vision of Lei Shen.<br /><br />So even if they gut LFR enough so normal/heroic raiders can skip it it is very unlikely we'll be able to skip the new normal. We'll need to do Normal, Heroic, AND Mythic at the start of a new tier for a while -- eventually just shrink it to heroic and Mythic two or three months down the line if we're lucky.<br /><br />"From a RL perspective I think this will make for a much SIMPLER progression model... less debate, less discussion, fewer disagreements about strategy. Heroic will be a quick clear and Mythic will be a relatively constrained progression path. I think that'll be generally a good thing."<br /><br />Generally true but that's really not even an issue right now outside of the first week or two (in terms of figuring out order). And I'd rather *not* be needing to do a "quick clear" of Heroic each week -- we'll see how their "skip bosses" idea works out.Balkothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-59246541518028744732013-11-21T10:55:47.030-06:002013-11-21T10:55:47.030-06:00Should be "benefit you in mythic" in the...Should be "benefit you in mythic" in the first paragraph, not heroic...Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-92051671236798900402013-11-21T10:54:44.108-06:002013-11-21T10:54:44.108-06:00Historically (if you can count one tier as history...Historically (if you can count one tier as history), flex gear is basically the same as pervious tier heroic gear, as long as you're running heroics in the previous tier, new normal shouldn't be even something to consider running for your main raid group, new heroic will more than suffice and give you the reps on the boss that'll benefit you in heroic along with some minor gear upgrades. So, knock that one off your list.<br /><br />In terms of new heroic, in the early weeks you probably will do a full clear to get the gear and the reps but eventually it won't be worth it anymore, assuming you can do wings the way you can with flex now (far from a guarantee, I haven't seen that discussed one way or the other) you can just do whatever wings cover the bosses you aren't killing on mythic. What I think *will* be interesting is that with mythic as a separate lockout, you won't be able to hand-pick bosses to do, aside from any flexibility that the raid design itself offers (I'm expecting more of a Firelands-like hub design than a linear ToT run).<br /><br />There's one other upside (overall, if not in every single aspect)... without the option of flipping from mythic to heroic within the same lockout (really trying to train myself to talk in WoD terms), it'll remove the "what boss do we do on mythic next?" discussion that's in play right now (yeah, you can just check kill numbers to see how other raids progressed but that doesn't necessarily apply to every group). There's also no option to pull x times and then drop it to normal (er, heroic... damnit) to move on. Mythic is mythic. From a RL perspective I think this will make for a much SIMPLER progression model... less debate, less discussion, fewer disagreements about strategy. Heroic will be a quick clear and Mythic will be a relatively constrained progression path. I think that'll be generally a good thing.Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-85012602274414576552013-11-11T17:57:29.009-06:002013-11-11T17:57:29.009-06:00Ah, good to know, thanks.
Still not really sure t...Ah, good to know, thanks.<br /><br />Still not really sure that matters -- still have to set up a system for 3 dispels even if you only might get 2.Balkothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-59207309731816896252013-11-11T17:22:09.225-06:002013-11-11T17:22:09.225-06:00They mentioned that some mechanics would still hav...They mentioned that some mechanics would still have fixed break points, in fact they specifically gave the Sha of Pride's prisons as an example. The examples they gave of ones where you would get 2-3 (or 4-5, etc) were things like dispels and raid damage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-73688008656613681482013-11-10T13:36:59.721-06:002013-11-10T13:36:59.721-06:00Yeah, the whole "Randomly get N+1 mechanics&q...Yeah, the whole "Randomly get N+1 mechanics" is totally wonky. I'd rather just have the extra prison consistently so I can plan accordingly.Talarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684944568000522986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-82969772898963332562013-11-10T12:43:09.219-06:002013-11-10T12:43:09.219-06:00How many 25 mans raid on just Sunday/Monday? I...How many 25 mans raid on just Sunday/Monday? I've never seen any but I'm willing to acknowledge the possibility some MIGHT exist.<br /><br />And with trinkets/tier pieces I'm not sure we'll be dropping Normal or Heroic as quickly as you think for Mythic -- especially Heroic. Many LFR trinkets this expansion beat any other trinket except the flex/normal/heroic version of the trinket trinket.Balkothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-25867430686954884202013-11-10T12:40:17.991-06:002013-11-10T12:40:17.991-06:00Vanilla to TBC was at least downsizing -- you coul...Vanilla to TBC was at least downsizing -- you could continue raiding and cut people if needed. And in particular the vast majority (and I mean vast, vast majority) of players had tons of dead weight they could cut -- people were 20 manning MC in blues. The existence of Karazhan as a 10 man also made it easier to assemble new groups and gave people not utterly serious about raiding something to do.<br /><br />I am a bit concerned about the expansion of Flex mechanics -- mainly in a situation like Sha of Pride's prisons where 2 people might be affected some casts and 3 another. You effectively have to plan for 3 prisons each time because it might happen.Balkothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-70845051673058119942013-11-10T08:28:37.360-06:002013-11-10T08:28:37.360-06:00Which means I'll need to recruit another 12-13...<i>Which means I'll need to recruit another 12-13 people to make a Mythic guild. Need to find another dozen players interested in our exact raid days and light schedule and who also meet our skill requirements.</i><br /><br />Welcome to the world of 25-man raiding. Actually no, you'll have a lot easier life, since you won't be having the competition from the 10-man guilds.<br />It won't be ToC reborn because the main reason to run all the ToC lockouts was emblems, needed to buy the tier pieces. Right now the situation is different: I almost never run LFR and even flex is dumped quickly when the normal progression advances. In the end you'll do heroic for some weeks then drop it completely for Mythic, while VP comes from side activities.Helistarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01435861741164342377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-24759281010235819242013-11-10T03:36:16.645-06:002013-11-10T03:36:16.645-06:00The whole Mythic thing is going to be similar grow...The whole Mythic thing is going to be similar growing pains to the shift from Vanilla to TBC (and TBC to Wrath). Perhaps we've been spoiled with having a stable raid size for 3 expansions (Wrath, Cata, MoP), but yeah, 10H raid groups are getting shafted with Mythic :( Normal/New Heroic as a raid leader I am happy to see Flex get expanded though. And apparently you can opt-in to personal loot, or just get regular loot drops that scale with the number of people you have.Talarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684944568000522986noreply@blogger.com