tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post2067609247094588099..comments2022-11-01T03:35:34.070-05:00Comments on Balkoth's Word: Culture Clash?Balkothhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-88047991880224099682014-02-13T16:44:10.003-06:002014-02-13T16:44:10.003-06:00'I'm not sure why you didn't quickly c...'I'm not sure why you didn't quickly check Mumble to see if the number in matched the number in your raid, have to assume there's a way to do that (I don't use Mumble much)."<br /><br />There's not a super easy way to do that which I know of, unless I logged off the server and back on. There very well might be a way but I don't think it's obvious if so.<br /><br />I also figured they'd get on "Soon" and was trying to not pressure P's friends unduly.<br /><br />"To me, that's kickable."<br /><br />To P, it's not. According to P's comments afterward P doesn't think I should have kicked them regardless if they got on Mumble. Claimed that the group could manage to get through Flex without them on Mumble and therefore I shouldn't have kicked them.<br /><br />" And unless you were one of the ones slamming that server, I'm not blaming you for that either"<br /><br />I wasn't, but I was still the group leader and should have stopped it when it started.Balkothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-71243874539808927412014-02-13T12:28:54.127-06:002014-02-13T12:28:54.127-06:00I'm having a hard time seeing anything in ther...I'm having a hard time seeing anything in there to blame you for... there was an obvious issue on both sides if you were using /r instead of /i (I trained myself out of that a long time ago) so up to the point where you started using /i, I'm calling for a mulligan on both sides and it looks like you did likewise, although I'm not sure why you didn't quickly check Mumble to see if the number in matched the number in your raid, have to assume there's a way to do that (I don't use Mumble much).<br /><br />Going strictly from 12+ on your list as being the starting point of the situation, they were at that point aware that you needed them in Mumble (they wouldn't have seen the OpenRaid requirement but knew by now) and at least one wasn't. To me, that's kickable. And unless you were one of the ones slamming that server, I'm not blaming you for that either, although I have zero exposure to any of that server-specific bias (for whatever reason I've just never seen it happen, even in queued content, although I haven't used OpenRaid or similar, might be more common there) so I can't gauge how hard it would be to hear that if they were saying it about mine. On the other hand, if they were snarking about my main server I'd have a hard time disagreeing...<br /><br />I'm also not blaming P for anything aside from what seems to be an over-reaction and a comprehensive bridge burning after the fact... while your reaction was based solely on things that happened during the raid, with (12+) or without (<11) their knowledge, Ps reaction seems based in large part on previous experiences that had nothing to do with you or your flex raid... it isn't fair to lump you in with those although I wouldn't begrudge her blaming those actually making the comments if they were that hurtful.<br /><br />I can fully understand why the fallout bothers and confuses you (I'd have had a very similar reaction) but ultimately you have little to no control over how someone else will react when something goes sideways. Live, learn (/i!), move on.Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-17920415046431034892014-02-13T12:01:21.446-06:002014-02-13T12:01:21.446-06:00"Still, you're a brave person for running..."Still, you're a brave person for running an Open Raid Flex run. I don't think I could handle a bunch of strangers."<br /><br />To be fair, like 5-10 are people from my guild and at this point like 80% of the group is the same each week (often have 20-25 people each week total). And since it's a scheduled OpenRaid event I can filter out the worst people and look at feedback people have gotten.Balkothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-23592997600068968742014-02-13T00:04:09.726-06:002014-02-13T00:04:09.726-06:00Also, sad. Now the my Sunday raid is no longer run...Also, sad. Now the my Sunday raid is no longer running, I have my Enhancement Shaman sitting and doing nothing, but your flex raids are on Wednesdays, same time my other raid plays. Still, you're a brave person for running an Open Raid Flex run. I don't think I could handle a bunch of strangers.Talarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684944568000522986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-69937035929984390072014-02-13T00:01:22.016-06:002014-02-13T00:01:22.016-06:00Ouch, that's extremely rough. I agree with Roh...Ouch, that's extremely rough. I agree with Rohan's assessment, but at the end of the day P has some pretty unrealistic expectations about what a raid is. I view raiding as similar to a sports team. You're there to play, and yeah, you can have fun, make jokes, etc. but at the end of the day you have 9 - 24 other people relying on you, so you need to step it up or step out.<br /><br />Seems like P either doesn't quite get raiding yet after being so new, or has a different mentality altogether about raiding.Talarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684944568000522986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-10973671287075588932014-02-12T23:29:32.142-06:002014-02-12T23:29:32.142-06:00Keep in mind P's friends almost certainly did ...Keep in mind P's friends almost certainly did not know about the Mumble rule -- they didn't sign up on OpenRaid and only heard about it from P as far as I know. But *P* knew we required it.<br /><br />And normally I would have done something like the 5 min thing -- I just initially assumed they were just being a bit slow about it and given that P hadn't ever caused any issues I figured the people they wanted to bring would be fine. Was trying to give the benefit of the doubt.<br /><br />Turned out to be a bad idea.Balkothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12425374556730828853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4121163861977080819.post-73592348852769012712014-02-12T22:38:39.854-06:002014-02-12T22:38:39.854-06:00"I didn't say anything immediately when t..."I didn't say anything immediately when they didn't get into Mumble initially."<br /><br />In my opinion, this was your mistake.<br /><br />There are certain people who go by the saying "if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile". These guys didn't want to download Mumble. They didn't see it as necessary. When you did not say anything initially, they wrote it down as you puffing yourself up, requiring unnecessary things for the sake of being "all hardcore".<br /><br />Then at the end, when it all starts going bitter, they're trying to justify their earlier decision, making excuses about not having the right information, etc. Saving face, basically. You gave them an inch, and they took a mile. <br /><br />You would have been far better off to give them 5 min at the start to get in mumble, and then kick those who did not. Rules need to be applied consistently, or people will decide that the "rule" doesn't apply to them.Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.com